4 comments

  • apparent 25 minutes ago
    > A person making an automatic renewal or continuous service offer to a consumer must provide the consumer with the option to cancel at any time using a simple cancellation mechanism that is as easy to use as the mechanism that the consumer used to provide consent and that is through the same medium that the consumer used to provide consent

    So if a startup lets someone sign up using Stripe, for example, does this mean that they need to have a way to unsubscribe that is as easy as Stripe? Lots of companies have a way to unsubscribe electronically, but it requires logging in to your account, going into settings, saying you want to unsub, and possibly declining various offers to stay.

    Surely at some point a company could cross the line of "a simple cancellation mechanism that is as easy to use as the mechanism the consumer used to provide consent". But where is the line exactly? Surely you don't have to have a big red cancel button on every page of your platform, but at the same time surely it can't be hidden 8 levels down in the settings.

    Some examples would be helpful to let businesses and consumers know what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

    • simpaticoder 17 minutes ago
      There's a funny thing when people don't like something where they can intentionally misunderstand it or impart artificial complexity onto it painting a picture like the rule is hard to comply with. I suppose to variation of a straw man argument. I honestly don't think this is one is hard to understand at all. If you can sign up through the web you should be able to cancel through the web. If you can sign up through the phone you should be able to cancel through the phone. Companies knowingly an intentionally make it harder to cancel than to sign up for obvious reasons that have nothing to do with doing right by the consumer. This is a very good law and it should be adopted everywhere.
      • cwillu 14 minutes ago
        And if you didn't have to click through a bunch of offers to subscribe, you shouldn't have to to cancel.
      • Vortigaunt 14 minutes ago
        “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

        ― Upton Sinclair

    • dcrazy 6 minutes ago
      Maybe those people who’ve spent so much time A/B testing where to put the signup buttons can use those skills to figure out where to put the cancel buttons so that they are as easy to find.
    • notimetorelax 16 minutes ago
      I think the point of the law is - the same medium. If you signed up online, you should be able to cancel subscription also online.
    • cosmic_cheese 15 minutes ago
      I suspect that something as simple as 2-3 emails prior to renewal, each with a one-click (no auth needed) clear, unobscured "unsubscribe" button would be sufficient.
    • expedition32 5 minutes ago
      In my country the rule is "unsubscribe the same way you subscribed". So no bullshit with having to write a literal physical letter through the mail (yes really this happened) or having to call a callcenter in India and having to explain why you want to your stop subscription.
  • blakeashleyjr 3 minutes ago
    While I think this is a good idea, we already have so many different regions to comply with, now we're adding cities....
  • cyberclimb 17 minutes ago
    You can only submit my snail mail or Fax.

    So close yet so far

  • ChrisArchitect 17 minutes ago
    Previous discussion on the announcement:

    New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48863464