Show HN: Making a flexible "neon" t-shirt with LED filaments

(scottbezek.blogspot.com)

131 points | by scottbez1 11 hours ago

11 comments

  • wolvoleo 5 minutes ago
    Yeah I do kinda the same but I embed them into latex prosthetics. Like horns or protrusions for the face that you glue on. They're really good for a cyberpunkey vibe.

    They look great but they're difficult to solder. Too little heat and it doesn't attach, too much and it damages them. Some of them have metal crimped contacts but at the expense of end flexibility. And those usually have contacts at each end, i prefer them with both contacts at the same end so I can cut the strips to size.

    They're also prone to breaking and the silicone is very resistant to glues and it keeps jumping around when you try to fix it in place. Embedding totally in liquid latex helps but if you use a lot it takes ages to cure.

  • scottbez1 11 hours ago
    Author here, happy to answer any questions!
    • bigwheels 8 hours ago
      Just want to say- this is a really neat idea and project!

      p.s. thanks for the additional sourcing details

    • ipsum2 7 hours ago
      I wonder if white thread would've been more invisible, the black thread seems more obvious against the LEDs? Being nitpicky, its a cool project for a single night.
      • d3Xt3r 7 hours ago
        There's actually a specific transparent thread you can use for this, it's called a monofilament polyester (aka "MonoPoly") thread, in clear or "invisible" variant. Would be perfect for this project.
        • embedding-shape 6 hours ago
          I was gonna say maybe fishing line would work, but I think maybe some fishing line is some sort of monofilament polyester?
      • scottbez1 7 hours ago
        Or color matched. Hadn’t even thought of that to be honest
    • verdverm 11 hours ago
      Have you thought about ways to make the lights detachable so you can wash the garment? Or is the trade off at a point where redoing it is easier overall?
      • scottbez1 11 hours ago
        It’s maybe plausible to gently wash it with the filaments still attached? I did actually use connectors so the shirt could be detached from the drive electronics, though I’d be a bit worried whether the stitches would survive and corrosion on the solder joints. Adhesive/waterproof heat shrink could maybe help?

        The other option is maybe attach the filaments to an embroidery style patch instead of the shirt itself and then attach it with Velcro to the shirt?

  • khaki54 4 hours ago
    One of my kids had something like this built into a Halloween costume that their mom procured from Amazon. One of the filaments was blinking out within a day so I started running the length of the filament to figure out where the bad connection was. Unexpectedly it shocked the hell out of me. I put a meter on it and it was 240V. I couldn't believe I got such a nasty poke from 2 AA batteries.
  • landgenoot 41 minutes ago
    That's a nice wearable!
  • fnord77 1 hour ago
    We old timers used to use EL wire for this.
    • wolvoleo 0 minutes ago
      Yes I've used that too but it has some drawbacks. It's way less flexible for starters, and not as bright. It's not dimmable unlike the leds.

      Also it needs much higher voltage around 100V compared to leds so you always need some bucket converter. And there's a minor risk too when it comes to wearables though in general the wire is well insulated.

  • mlmonkey 5 hours ago
    Is "LED Filament" the same as "EL Wire" ?
    • numpad0 1 hour ago
      LED uses EL effect of diode, EL wire uses EL effect of compounds dispersed in a material. Technically related, but this is based on tiny LEDs on a flexible PCB covered in the yellow LED goo. It's the same type of strip as ones used for retro look LED lightbulbs.
    • ThrowawayTestr 5 hours ago
      No, those are more similar to old fluorescent bulbs.
    • xgulfie 3 hours ago
      EL wire is different, it's higher voltage AC making a magnetic field and exciting a phosphor, it's actually a continuous strip of illuminating material. This is small, dense LEDs in a strip.
  • 4d4m 11 hours ago
    The pwm animation/flicker/ramp up was a REALLY nice touch
  • IshKebab 6 hours ago
    Ooo this is cool, I didn't know these exist. I once half made something like this with EL wire but I stopped after getting an electric shock from some EL tape. Turns out the edges are not at all insulated and you need high voltages to drive them. I'm not wearing that. 24V sounds much nicer.
  • danilafe 8 hours ago
    Beautiful! Thank you for sharing.
  • buredoranna 6 hours ago
    This is great, because the one problem I have with the cyberpunk dystopian future we live in, is the disappointing lack of neon.
  • Razengan 8 hours ago
    Reminds me of a Japanese tech demo on YouTube I can't find right now, of projecting a flexible hologram on to a t-shirt with invisible markers.